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Catalina 22 vs Starwind 223 vs Laguna Windrose 22

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• Start date Sep 14, 2015
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Have gotten approval to upgrade from a 18' Buccaneer to a 22' boat on my mooring in Plymouth MA. Looking at Catalina 22, Starwind 223 and Laguna Windrose 22. I currently pull my Buccaneer 180 with a Subaru Outback. I'm looking for comments, recommendations, cautions and biased opinions of all kinds. Thanks.  

A great and balanced boat is a Sirius 21/22  

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Looking at the specs on all three boats the Windrose is larger for overnighting, Having owned a Catalina 22 for all most 25 years I will tell you that the years from 86 to 92 is what is called the “new model, it is well thought out for overnighting and is overall heavier than the other two and will take the waves and wind, the earlier years are faster because of the weight being 900 lbs lighter. Of all three boats the Catalina is still made and all of the replacement parts are still supported. A 22 foot boat, make sure a good trailer comes with the boat. Then it comes down to the nicest boat with the most stuff.  

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Take a look at the Compac 23. They are built by the Hutchinson Company and they have been built almost the same for 30 years. They have a fixed shoal draft but you can still get them on the trailer. This means you don't have to worry about moving parts under the water as well. The layout is great. The V berth is a good size for a 23. It has good accommodations for a boat this size.  

A Subaru Outback was mentioned. All of the boats mentioned are going to be WAY heavier on the trailer than what you have been towing - maybe a factor of 3X. My .02.. if you look at those larger boats, you will also have to look at a larger tow vehicle.  

walt said: A Subaru Outback was mentioned. All of the boats mentioned are going to be WAY heavier on the trailer than what you have been towing - maybe a factor of 3X. My .02.. if you look at those larger boats, you will also have to look at a larger tow vehicle. Click to expand

The compac 23 is a similar boat to the Starwind 223 but with cheaper cabin trim and finishes. The 223 has an interior carpeted hull and extensive wood trim with a galley and hanging locker. We have a 1985 Starwind 223 which is our trips boat. We Have done the Florida Keys, Florida's West Coast, Long Island Sound, Cheaspeake Bay, Potomac River, The Outerbanks and some inland lakes. We trailer the boat to distant sailing venues usually for a two weeks trip in the area. The boat is a Jim tailor design with a short fixed, ballasted keel and a center board. We have done two couple trips with very, very good friends and we have been comfortable. We have sailed into Mystic Connecticut under conditions that had 32' boats pinned down for weather. We were pinned down ourselves in Okracoke and in Tangier Island, which we made just ahead of small craft warnings posting. After crossing Plum Gut in the Long Island Sound we developed a lot of confidence for this little boat and she has not let us down yet. We power it with a two stroke Nissan 9.8HP. The boat is heavy for its class and the whole load trailers at around 3800 lbs. which might be over the maximum for your Outback. Since we trailer long distances we use a Navigator as a tow vehicle but if you only intend to do short distances at slow speeds you might be able to do it with the Outback. With the short fixed keel of 1.2' it does require a slightly steep ramp to launch and retrieve. Allow for an increased trailering load as you pull the boat up the inclined plane. Our trailer does have a tongue extension which we have used just a couple of times. Just power slowly out of the ramp as to not hurt the tow vehicle. Sailed a Catalina 22' once and I thought it was a good trailerable boat but felt a lot lighter than the S223. No experience with the Laguna.  

Benny17441 said: The compac 23 is a similar boat to the Starwind 223 but with cheaper cabin trim and finishes. The 223 has an interior carpeted hull and extensive wood trim with a galley and hanging locker. We have a 1985 Starwind 223 which is our trips boat. We Have done the Florida Keys, Florida's West Coast, Long Island Sound, Cheaspeake Bay, Potomac River, The Outerbanks and some inland lakes. We trailer the boat to distant sailing venues usually for a two weeks trip in the area. The boat is a Jim tailor design with a short fixed, ballasted keel and a center board. We have done two couple trips with very, very good friends and we have been comfortable. We have sailed into Mystic Connecticut under conditions that had 32' boats pinned down for weather. We were pinned down ourselves in Okracoke and in Tangier Island, which we made just ahead of small craft warnings posting. After crossing Plum Gut in the Long Island Sound we developed a lot of confidence for this little boat and she has not let us down yet. We power it with a two stroke Nissan 9.8HP. The boat is heavy for its class and the whole load trailers at around 3800 lbs. which might be over the maximum for your Outback. Since we trailer long distances we use a Navigator as a tow vehicle but if you only intend to do short distances at slow speeds you might be able to do it with the Outback. With the short fixed keel of 1.2' it does require a slightly steep ramp to launch and retrieve. Allow for an increased trailering load as you pull the boat up the inclined plane. Our trailer does have a tongue extension which we have used just a couple of times. Just power slowly out of the ramp as to not hurt the tow vehicle. Sailed a Catalina 22' once and I thought it was a good trailerable boat but felt a lot lighter than the S223. No experience with the Laguna. Click to expand

I'm new to the list, but wanted to add another boat to consideration. I bought a Rhodes 22 this summer, upgrading from the 'other' Buccaneer 18 (a fast dingy formerly made by Chrysler). My dock neighbor has an older Compac 23 which he also uses to cruise Lake Erie (haven't met him yet, scuttlebutt is he does a couple 3-4 day trips a year). My criteria was convenient reservoir day sailing and a couples weekender that could be trailered to the great lakes. Large cockpit for the reservoir, easy fore deck access, single handling friendly, able to handle shallow water and a real head were on my list. In mast furling has proven wonderful for short sails. I lack time to both sail and repair, so I chose a factory rebuild. After half a season, I have no regrets. I will upgrade to a bigger tow vehicle, your Subaru would be too small as well.  

We looked at a Starwind 223 back in 1985 and I thought the build quality was very good but did not care for the interior layout and lack of a true poptop for headroom. We bought a Siruis 22 instead. We spend 2-3 weeks at a time cruising our boat on the Great Lakes and we love the interior layout and poptop cabin. As for the Catalina there are a few versions of this boat so not sure what one you are looking at. Tell us what your intentions are. Are you using it for daysailing and weekending or do you plan longer trips? Interior layout may not be that important if you spend limited time overnight. How often will you trailer the boat? If you keep it on a mooring and only trailer it twice a year and the beginning and end of the season you can always borrow or rent a tow vehicle. Why saddle yourself with a larger vehicle if it is not really needed? IMO if you are towing longer distances (100's of miles) you need a vehicle rated for 5000 lbs to comfortable tow these boats that come in at 3400-3800 lbs including the trailer.  

Jackdaw said: All true and good info except for the designer. Cortland Streck Click to expand

Here are a couple of Pictures of the boat "Coco Loco"  

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As I use to tell my customers, there are many boats out there but look at the ones that will meet your needs and then if you like a boat very much, then buy it as most often you will tend to keep that boat for a long time. It is good many are giving you their opinions. If you intend to pull or trailer all the time, that will make a difference on your selection. For example a wing keel is harder to launch and thus you will need to know your ramps. IF you decide on a Catalina 22 swing keel, purchase the Catalina 22 Sport trailer as it was designed by Ron Frisosky with me there as to a nearly perfect trailer for that but do get it with brakes.  

Al Cole said: I'm new to the list, but wanted to add another boat to consideration. I bought a Rhodes 22 this summer, upgrading from the 'other' Buccaneer 18 (a fast dingy formerly made by Chrysler). My dock neighbor has an older Compac 23 which he also uses to cruise Lake Erie (haven't met him yet, scuttlebutt is he does a couple 3-4 day trips a year). My criteria was convenient reservoir day sailing and a couples weekender that could be trailered to the great lakes. Large cockpit for the reservoir, easy fore deck access, single handling friendly, able to handle shallow water and a real head were on my list. In mast furling has proven wonderful for short sails. I lack time to both sail and repair, so I chose a factory rebuild. After half a season, I have no regrets. I will upgrade to a bigger tow vehicle, your Subaru would be too small as well. Click to expand

Got a close up look at a Starwind 223 and am smitten! Seems to be a much better use of space and storage than the Catalina 22 to this novice sailor. Anything I should look at critically before taking a leap?  

A funny thing, but one thing that I don't like about smaller boats is that the V-berth comes to a sharp point. It can be uncomfortable, especially if you are sharing it. Having a wide foot at the V-berth is nice. The Compac 23 has a very nice v-berth for a 23 foot boat. I have cruised mine for as many as 8 days and it is okay for that. In all seriousness, if you can swing it, get a bigger boat. Take a look at the Hunter 260 or the Catalina 250. They were water ballast boats and where they have their issues, they are light to tow, easier to launch, and they have nice cabins.  

mrudman850 said: Got a close up look at a Starwind 223 and am smitten! Seems to be a much better use of space and storage than the Catalina 22 to this novice sailor. Click to expand

If you want to go light weight and fast, find an RL 24. The boat weighs 1600 lbs. Weighed in on the trailer with all my junk at 2700 lbs. One thing about the RL is that with a swing keel, the boat sits very low on the trailer. This means less wind resistance. The weight is low, so it handles very well on the road. Ironically, except for on a steep hill, this boat tows much easier than my previous 17 foot American Fiberglass, which only weighed 900 lbs. The AF 17 had the weighted keel below the boat, which meant on the trailer, it stuck up in the wind, which made it pull very hard. Besides, if you are towing with an Outback, shouldn't you be sailing Australia's favorite trailer sailor.  

mrudman850 said: Got a close up look at a Starwind 223 and am smitten! Seems to be a much better use of space and storage than the Catalina 22 to this novice sailor. Anything I should look at critically before taking a leap? Click to expand

Bad Obsession said: ....In all seriousness, if you can swing it, get a bigger boat. Take a look at the Hunter 260 or the Catalina 250. They were water ballast boats and where they have their issues, they are light to tow, easier to launch, and they have nice cabins. Click to expand

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Review of Windrose 22

Basic specs., sailing characteristics.

This section covers widely used rules of thumb to describe the sailing characteristics. Please note that even though the calculations are correct, the interpretation of the results might not be valid for extreme boats.

What is Capsize Screening Formula (CSF)?

The capsize screening value for Windrose 22 is 2.43, indicating that this boat would not be accepted to participate in ocean races.

What is Theoretical Maximum Hull Speed?

The theoretical maximal speed of a displacement boat of this length is 5.8 knots. The term "Theoretical Maximum Hull Speed" is widely used even though a boat can sail faster. The term shall be interpreted as above the theoretical speed a great additional power is necessary for a small gain in speed.

The immersion rate is defined as the weight required to sink the boat a certain level. The immersion rate for Windrose 22 is about 94 kg/cm, alternatively 530 lbs/inch. Meaning: if you load 94 kg cargo on the boat then it will sink 1 cm. Alternatively, if you load 530 lbs cargo on the boat it will sink 1 inch.

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Balboa alias Windrose alias Laguna

The Balboa 22 was built by Laguna Yachts, the same company that built the Windrose 22 (page 213), also designed by Shad Turner. If you look closely you will see that both hulls have identical dimensions, though the decks are somewhat different. Both hulls came in two choices of underbody: a swing-keel version (min and max drafts shown above) and a fixed fin-keel version with a draft of 2' 11". Ballast for the swing version is 600 pounds, for the fixed version is 900 pounds. Corresponding displacements are 1,980 (swing) and 2,280 (fixed). The Balboa 22 was only produced for three years, while the Windrose 22, with different deck mold, continued until the company ended production of all boats about 1987. Best features: Poptop gives six-foot headroom when erected. Worst features: Construction is below average—definitely not "yacht quality."

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Windrose 22 s

The windrose 22 s is a 21.58ft fractional sloop designed by shad turner and built in fiberglass by laguna yachts between 1977 and 1987..

The Windrose 22 s is a light sailboat which is a good performer. It is stable / stiff and has a low righting capability if capsized. It is best suited as a day-boat.

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Windrose 22

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The Windrose 22 and Laguna 22 are a series of American trailerable sailboats that were designed by W. Shad Turner as cruisers and first built in 1977. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]

The Windrose 22 and Laguna 22 are developments of the Balboa 22 , using the same hull molds. [1] [5] [6]

The Windrose 22 was built by Laguna Yachts in the United States , with model years from 1977 and 1987 and the Laguna 22 between 1983 and 1987, ending when Laguna Yachts went out of business in 1986. The Balboa 22 was originally designed for Coastal Recreation , but the company was bought out by Laguna Yachts in 1981 and many of its boat designs were adapted into new models. Designer W. Shad Turner drew boats for both California-based companies and did adaptations after the buy-out. [1] [2] [3] [5] [7]

The Windrose 22 and Laguna 22 are recreational keelboats , built predominantly of fiberglass , with wood trim. They have fractional sloop rigs, raked stems , plumb transoms and transom-hung rudders , controlled by a tiller . [1] [2] [3] [5]

The boats are normally fitted with a small 3 to 6   hp (2 to 4   kW) outboard motor for docking and maneuvering. [1] [2] [3] [5]

The designs have sleeping accommodation for four people, with a double "V"-berth in the bow cabin and two straight settee berths in the main cabin. The optional sliding galley is located on the starboard side and slides under the cockpit for stowage. The head is located in the bow cabin under the "V"-berth. Cabin headroom is 52   in (132   cm) . [5]

The designs have a PHRF racing average handicap of 246 and a hull speed of 5.6   kn (10.4   km/h) . [5]

Operational history

In a 2010 review Steve Henkel wrote, "Many skippers like to think of both the Windrose 22 and the Balboa 22 swing keel versions as very similar to both the Catalina 22 ... and the Venture 22 ... There is some merit in this appraisal, except that, while all four of the boats have roughly the same total displacement (about 1,800 to 2,300 pounds), the Windrose and Balboa have considerably more ballast and less structural materials. Best features: These were boats built for economy; used boat prices are lower than average. Worst features: Because the boats were built for economy, workmanship and quality is so-so at best." [5]

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• [2] McArthur, Bruce (2022). "Windrose 22S sailboat" . sailboatdata.com . Archived from the original on 27 March 2022 . Retrieved 27 March 2022 .
• [3] McArthur, Bruce (2022). "Laguna 22 sailboat" . sailboatdata.com . Archived from the original on 10 January 2021 . Retrieved 27 March 2022 .
• [4] McArthur, Bruce (2022). "W. Shad Turner" . sailboatdata.com . Archived from the original on 29 August 2020 . Retrieved 27 March 2022 .
• [5] Henkel, Steve: The Sailor's Book of Small Cruising Sailboats , page 213 and 214. International Marine / McGraw-Hill , 2010. ISBN   978-0-07-163652-0
• [6] McArthur, Bruce (2022). "Balboa 22 sailboat" . sailboatdata.com . Archived from the original on 10 January 2021 . Retrieved 27 March 2022 .
• [7] McArthur, Bruce (2022). "Laguna Yachts" . sailboatdata.com . Archived from the original on 25 March 2022 . Retrieved 27 March 2022 .

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Restoration Project: 1977 Windrose 22 Sailboat

We bought this little 1977 Windrose 22 day-sailor for $300 on Craigslist. Our plan is to restore it to new condition. This will take many weeks so we will produce weekly updates of the restoration project .

If you are going to buy a sailboat the best time to do it is in the fall or winter. People who sell their boat are desperate to sell in the fall and winter because they don’t want to pay the storage fees associated with most boats.

Whenever you buy a new boat the first thing you want to decide on is a name. In this case, we decided to name her after one of the smallest members of our family. Her new name is “ SS Lilly Frida “.

The ship was designed by W. Shad Turner and built by Laguna Yachts from 1977 to 1987. In 1985, the company renamed the Windrose line to Laguna. That’s why most of the Lagunas seem very similar to the Windroses. Laguna went on to purchase the Coastal Recreation company and integrated the Balboas and the Aquarius line with the Laguna and Windrose lines. Later, some of these boats again reappeared under the CLASSIC name (built by Classic Yachts of Canaute, Kansas ).

Windrose 22 Design Statistics

When you buy a sailboat for $300 dollars expect to have work to do. The list is long but doable, so let’s begin.

Starting from the bottom and working our way up the Swing Keel needs to be sanded, filled, primed and painted, then it needs remounted on the sailboat. The crank and cable are in new condition so we will use it.

The hull is in fair condition but the deck has dry rot on the step for the mast. That will need to be cut out, new core cut, fitted, and then fiberglassed back in. The ship also has some stress cracks that will need to be ground out and re-fiberglassed. The windows and portholes need to be replaced or serviced and the hull needs sanded, primed, and painted. The stanchions are in good condition but a little light. I think we will beef them up a little bit. The port handrail needs to be sanded, stained, and sealed but the starboard handrail needs replaced.

In my opinion, the two bulkheads are a little light so I will beef up the bulkheads to add a bit of rigidity to the slip. While working on the inside I will also install a depth finder. It will also need a new head installed.

The ship came from the factory with a galley that was mounted on a carriage that would slide into the Starboard Quarter Birth but it is missing on this ship. We will recreate the galley using a propane camping oven with 3 burner stove, an icebox, and a sink.

The ship will need to be rewired and new running lights, led cabin lights, and a new VHF radio will need to be installed

All of the upholstery and cushions are in good shape so we will keep what we have. The canvas for the pop-top is missing so a new one will need to be made. The companionway door is just a piece of plywood that does not fit very well so it will need to be remade.

The outboard kicker board is also missing so we will make a new one. We will equip the boat with a 7.5 hp Mercury Outboard.

The Mast and Sails

The mast is in fair condition but still serviceable and the boom is in good condition. The rigging is in good condition and is still serviceable. It is missing a wind vane and the anchor light has a broken casing that will need to be replaced or repaired. The spreaders are in good condition, but the rigging mounts will need to be replaced.

Some of the sailing sheets need to be replaced, but the sails appear to be in good condition. It came with a mainsail and a headsail and I have a spinnaker sail that will fit the ship. I will need to make a spinnaker pole for the boat also. I will also install two winches in the cockpit.

The Trailer

The trailer is in good condition, but can use a new paint job. I will also rewire and add new taillights. We will service the wheel barrings while we are working on it.

This will be the interior layout for the refit of this Windrose 22. It is not a redesign just restoration and some upgrades. The original galley came with a two-burner alcohol stove and we are putting a propane oven and three burner stove. The ship did not come equipped with a depth finder so we are installing one. Other than that we are just replacing and repairing.

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Laguna Windrose 22 MK1 Sailboat

I bought this little Laguna Windrose 22 sailboat on Craigslist last year and it has been setting in my RV Storage building. Now that it is springtime and I have time because of the Coronavirus pandemic I will start the restoration.

She needs a new paint job, the swing keel repainted and remounted. The deck is dry rotted under the step plate so it needs to be cut out, replaced and re-glassed.

Some brightwork is needed on the interior wood and the sliding kitchenette is missing altogether. Reconstruction of the sliding kitchenette will need to be done with a camping stove, cooler, and sink. I will also make a better folding table and give the V-birth a bulkhead divider for some privacy. She has all of her cushions and covers.

I have a depth finder that I am going to install along with a 7.5 HP Outboard motor for her but she needs a motor mount for the aft of the ship. The ship needs two winches as the sailboat did not have any when I bought her.

The trailer is in fairly good condition but I want to replace some wooden stanchions on it and give it a new paint job.

Other than that I think she is good. I will write more on her progress in the coming weeks.

Laguna Windrose 22 MK1 Sailboat Specifications

The little boat is a day sailor designed by Shad Turner for the Laguna Yachts company in Stanton, CA from 1977 to 1987.

Sailboat Specifications

• Hull Type: Swing Keel
• Rigging Type: Fractional Sloop
• LOA: 21.58 ft
• LWL: 19.00 ft
• Beam: 8.00 ft
• S.A.: 206.00 ft2
• Draft: 1.40 ft to 5.50 ft
• Displacement: 1,980 lb
• Ballast: 600 lb
• Construction: Fiberglass

Rig and Sail Specifications

• I: 24.00 ft
• P: 23.00 ft
• S.A. Fore: 105.00 ft2
• S.A. Main: 100.63 ft2
• S.A. Total: 205.63 ft2
• S.A./Disp.: 20.91
• Est. Forestay Len.: 25.55 ft

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