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Revival of the Q Class – a mini J Class without all the costs and crew hassles

• August 17, 2016

The J Class may be the most famous yachts designed to the Universal Rule, but they are by no means the only ones. Rupert Holmes reports on the embryonic revival of the Q Class

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Imagine owning a yacht with all the class, style and history of a J Class , but without the monumental costs and logistical challenges. This dream is well on the way to becoming a reality with the resurgence of the Q Class – the purchase and running costs of a Q are a whopping two orders of magnitude less than for the big yachts.

Anyone doubting the appeal of the Q Class has only to look at a list of former owners, which features two multiple America’s Cup winners, including Harold S. Vanderbilt in the 1920s and Dennis Conner, who undertook the first full restoration of a Q Class yacht.

The Q Class was the first built to the Universal Rule, which was adopted with the aim of providing more level racing by the New York Yacht Club after the 1903 America’s Cup. Prominent American designers, foremost among them the legendary Nathanael Herreshoff, drew up the Rule, and leading designers from around the world, including Charles E. Nicholson, Tore Holm and Johan Anker, were involved in drawing many of the boats. At least 16 Q Class boats were built between 1904 and 1937.

Most Q Class designs are a little under 50ft, with a beam of just over 9ft and a deep draught, although later boats tended to be a little longer and narrower. Although slightly beamier, they were very similar in terms of dimensions to the 8-metres built to the International Rule favoured in Europe at the time.

The revived class has a number of high-profile proponents, including French legend Bruno Troublé, former J Class secretary David Pitman and California-based yacht designer David Fladlien.

Restored examples

One boat that has already been making waves at classic regattas in the Mediterranean and UK is Pascal Oddo’s Jour de Fête . One of the later Q Class, she was built in 1930 to a design by Frank Paine and W. Starling Burgess and originally named Falcon ll . Jour de Fête underwent a complete restoration in 2007/08, retaining as many of the original fittings and timbers as possible.

She won a slew of prizes at last year’s Panerai British Classic Week , including 1st overall in Class 5 and the Lallow Cup for the best-presented new entrant. This followed a long run of successes in Mediterranean regattas including Marseille in 2013, 2014 and 2015, Les Voiles de St Tropez in 2014 and Panerai Antibes in the same year.

After World War II many of the boats migrated from the New England coast to the Great Lakes, particularly Chicago and Milwaukee, where a number were eventually lost. At one time it was thought that only three of the original boats were left, however Fladlien says: “I have information of various degrees of certainty about eight existing Q boats, including some which are sailing and others which are being restored.”

Leonore , a Johan Anker design built in Norway in 1925 and called Cotton Blossom ll for much of her life, was the first boat to undergo a full restoration. This was carried out in 2003/04 by Dennis Conner and she has been racing in classic regattas ever since. Grayling , a 1923 boat, is still racing in Canada’s Puget Sound, while Robin (from 1928) is available in California and ready for restoration.

Fladlien has developed a set of rules for the design of a modern-era Q Class, with the aim of bringing the class back in a modernised form. The vision is for two classifications: Vintage for pre-World War II designs and New Construction for those designed in very recent or contemporary times.

These would retain the same long overhangs, along with deep hulls to provide lots of headroom. Both classifications are included in a revised Universal Rule for the Q Class, with limitations imposed to keep the boats, old and new, reasonably close in performance.

The handicap system is based on a velocity prediction program (VPP) under which both new and vintage boats can race together with time allowance in a similar manner to the one currently used very successfully by the J Class.

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The new rule also introduces a number of changes to make Qs both faster and more capable: modern wood construction, broader stern sections to provide a longer sailing length and better downwind stability, lower centre of gravity keel and higher aspect ratio sail plan for upwind efficiency.

At the same time, design restrictions have been increased, to discourage extreme shapes, while mandatory accommodation arrangements are intended to ensure cruising capabilities in the new boats. The rule allows for modern Q Class yachts to be built from wood epoxy, aluminium or composite, by any designer and any yard.

They are stunning boats that stand every chance of gathering an enthusiastic following.

Dimensions (Jour de Fête)

LOA 15.85m/52ft 0in

LWL 10.20m/33ft 7in

Beam 2.74m/9ft 0in

Draught 2.13m/7ft 0in

Displacement 10 tons

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At around 50ft the Q Class is still sufficiently large and powerful to have a good turn of speed, while even the best racing crews will have plenty to tweak and manoeuvres to perfect. This is Leonore .

Greater beam than typical European designs of the same period allows for more accommodation space

After Dennis Conner’s ownership, Cotton Blossom ll reverted to her original name of Leonore and her hull was painted white. She is in outstanding condition

Robin is an unrestored original Q Class. She’s lying at Rutherford’s Boatshop in Richmond, California and has the potential to make a hugely rewarding project

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Universal Rule revival: meet the Q-Class Jour de Fete

The Q-Class yacht Jour de Fete is part of the fledgling Universal-Rule revival that is slowly building up critical mass in the Med

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B runo Troublé, of America’s Cup and Louis Vuitton fame, has a new project. He is promoting a renaissance of some of the smaller classes of the Universal Rule, discovering and restoring boats in north America and bringing them to race in the Mediterranean. The Universal Rule, devised in the USA in the late 1890s by Nathanael Herreshoff and adopted by the New York YC in 1903, is most famously known by the J-Class, the largest of these racing classes denoted by letters of the alphabet. Jour de Fête , ex- Falcon II , is a Q-Class design, more the size of an International Rule 8-M class, designed by Frank C Paine in 1930.

Jour de Fête ’s arrival five years ago on the classic scene in the Med has developed into many wins and some fine match racing with a Johan Anker designed Q boat, Leonore , ex- Cotton Blossom , introduced by another America’s Cup legend and friend of Bruno’s, Dennis Conner. A larger P boat, Olympian , was brought to the Med in 2014 by Bruno with great racing success and another, Chips , is being restored at the moment. Perhaps five P boats still exist, and they are fast coming out of obscurity to be given a well-deserved new racing life.

There are probably six Q boats still surviving out of an initial 20 before World War I and perhaps over 40 built after that, by such fine designers such as L Francis Herreshoff, John Alden and Sherman Hoyt besides those already mentioned. These boats are turning heads and are winning prize after prize.

The Q-Class was the first to use the Universal Rule, with Starling Burgess’ new design of Orestes in 1904, 36ft (10.97m) overall and 25ft on the waterline, with a sail area of 770sq ft. The new rule was much needed, promoting displacement and penalising sail area. At a stroke it moderated the dangerous extremes in shape and scantlings that were becoming prevalent under the earlier Seawanhaka Rule. The new system provided more balanced, seaworthy boats, much as the International or Metre Rule did a few years later in 1907 in Britain and Europe.

In the first version of the Universal Rule, there were no scantling rules, so boats were lighter than those built under the International Rule. This partly explains why fewer of the Universal Rule have survived, and when they have, they need a more comprehensive rebuild. But then they are light, fast, responsive and a joy to sail. “They are rocket ships with 10 knots of wind and flat seas,” comments Bruno. However, by the time Jour de Fête was built, the Universal Rule had adopted Lloyd’s specifications, so the boats were stronger.

The Universal Rule boats were also designed for a different environment in New England – racing in sheltered inshore bays where waves and tides are small and summer winds light. Sailing in the Solent or Scotland means being often subject to a weight and strength of wind that requires strong boats and less sail – not that sailors there were any more averse to piling on sail.

The Universal Rule evolved into 10 classes, from the 88ft (26.8m) I-Class, the J-Class, down to a 17ft (5.18m) waterline for the S-Class, 20ft (6.1m) for the R-Class, 25ft (7.62m) for the Q-Class, 31ft (9.44m) for the P-Class. Over the years and thanks to several rule changes, the boats were designed longer: the 1930 Jour de Fête has the longest waterline of the Qs at 32ft (9.75m). She’s 52ft (15.8m) LOA and less beamy than earlier Q boats.

The Q boats were raced both in Long Island Sound near New York, Sherman Hoyt’s Capsicum winning many races there, and in Marblehead and other bays of Massachusetts. By 1913 the larger P-Class was the choice of the top skippers and owners. After WWI, however, things changed. The Ps were deemed too expensive to maintain and crew, and at that time all boats were moving quickly away from gaff rigs to the new bermudan (Marconi) rig. The R-Class, about the size of the earlier Q boats, began to dominate and some of the P boats were sold to racing clubs in the Great Lakes and Canada. One of the designers in the Marblehead area of P and R-Class boats was Frank C Paine and his first R-Class Gypsy was seen to win many races. By 1928 the larger Q-Class began to re-emerge and many of these were designed by Paine in his office established in 1921, Burgess & Paine. They also hired a young draftsman by the name of L Francis Herreshoff. Starling Burgess designed the Q boats Hawk, Hayseed VIII and Falcon I before the office was dissolved in 1926, and Paine designed Hornet , his first Q-Class. This beat the reigning Q-Class champion of the time, Johan Anker’s 1925 Sally XIII . All three designers went on to design further Q boats, interpreting the rule in their different ways. L Francis Herreshoff’s 1928 Nor’easter V was very successful in light airs once her rig was tuned, as was Paine’s Robin of that year. She is still in existence, awaiting restoration. A year later Paine designed Cara Mia , the third of his four Q boats, the last being Falcon II in 1930, now Jour de F ê te .

Frank C Paine was the son of General Charles J Paine, who in the late 1800s had asked Starling Burgess’ father Edward to design Puritan, Mayflower and Volunteer as America’s Cup defenders. Frank had an introduction into the top echelon of the Massachusetts racing world and he quickly showed talent and an ability to innovate. His designs ranged from the J boat Yankee , the Bermuda Race winner Highland Light , the fishing schooner Gertrude Thebaud as well as racing yachts designed to both the Universal Rule and the International, Metre Rule.

The Hart Nautical Library at MIT has 21 of Paine’s half models and about 2,300 of his plans. Just launched this June in the Netherlands at Holland Jachtbouw is his J-Class boat Topaz , sail number J8, designed in 1935 but never built. Topaz is 88ft on the waterline, the longest J-Class ever built, and with the lowest wetted surface and highest keel aspect ratio.

Many of Paine’s designs were built at the renowned Lawley & Son yard, where he was company president for many years. George Lawley & Son, who built Jour de Fête , was the major boatbuilding yard in New England other than the Herreshoff Manufacturing Company, which did not build boats by other designers. Lawleys built about 6,000 boats between the 1860s and the 1940s, with three generations of the family involved, Fred Lawley attending MIT to study naval architecture in the late 1890s and designing boats such as Seminole , which still races today.

By the time Falcon II/Jour de Fête was built, the International Rule was superseding the Universal Rule as the favourite for interclub racing in America, particularly in Long Island Sound. In 1929 there were 14 Q boats racing in Marblehead, the peak year for the class. Shortly after that the Qs were competing with the similar-sized 8-Ms, and eventually shared starts and courses.

The Eights began to take over and most of the Q boats, except for Robin, moved west, bought by owners racing in the Great Lakes. Questa is still sailing on Flathead Lake, Montana, along with Herreshoff’s Nor’easter V . The history of  Falcon II goes quiet at this point, until she was discovered in poor shape near Milwaukee and was bought in 2003 by Konrad Ulbrich, moving her east to his farm in Camden, Maine.

New beginnings

Konrad, or Koni as he was known, already had an R-Class boat that he sailed in the Eggemoggin Reach Classics Race with his Boston-based daughter Wilhelmina, or Willy. They had sailed well enough that their handicap was probably going to be increased, and the thought of a new classic to restore and sail was tempting, one that he could race but also cruise a bit in Penobscot Bay. He knew that a Frank Paine boat was bound to be fast, which was important: Koni had been on the crew of American Eagle in 1964 in the America’s Cup races, and had sailed on the 73ft (22.25m) S&S yawl Bolero . His good friend Knight Coolidge tempted him to go ahead and added his help to the project. Koni bought the boat for a fraction of the asking price.

Koni had projects tucked away in corners of barns and fields and relished the challenge, and his daughters Willy and Cecile were pleased to be involved as far as they could. It was a major job. There were 88 ribs to replace, deadwood, every bolt in the chainplates, keelbolts, all the planking beneath the waterline.

The boat was riding 9in below her waterline when last measured. Part of this was the outsized 20in bulwarks around her decks, added to increase her freeboard to the height specified by rules in the Great Lakes. Part of it too, they later realised, is that the measurement was taken in the Great Lakes where the fresh water is less buoyant than salt water.

They also had to work through inconsistencies in Paine’s drawings and undocumented alterations in the intervening years. She had done well in races on the Great Lakes under the ownership of David Pappas, but they were not sure how she would sail after their work, or whether they would cure the weather helm they had heard about. “You gotta be a fantastic screwball to do this,” Koni commented.

Various people put their effort into the restoration: Dave Stimson replaced the frames, deadwood and keel timber, George Emery worked with Koni to design stronger metal floors and worked on the rudder and engine, Scotty Rome made custom bronze hardware. A telescoping ventilator designed by Paine at Lawleys was added. A rig was designed by Walter Wales – Koni wanted a larger foresail and later discussed it with Olin Stephens, who had agreed with him, but suggested the mainsail should be smaller so a permanent backstay could be installed: she needed more than just the running backstays. John Anderson joined in time to replace all the underwater planking, and remained with the project until the end. The coachroof is new and everything below was John’s work too, painted white with much mahogany trim in classic New England style. A pine deck was laid and John made all the spars. He has since restored the Q boat designed by Starling Burgess, Falcon I .

And sadly there was an end, and not the one expected. The boat was launched and motored around the harbour to test the engine, but Koni did not live to sail the boat he had worked so hard on. It was a poignant loss. There was a beginning too, however. Koni’s daughter Willy had been committed to the project from the start and she now left her career in Boston to help her mother run the family farm in Warren. She was also starting a relationship with her father’s new boatbuilder. Now they are married with two children, Willy running the farm and John building boats in the workshop. This is where the 1913 Burgess P-Class Chips is being restored, set for launch in 2017, and the Q boat Robin awaits restoration there too.

THE FRENCH CONNECTION

Bruno Troublé had been sailing his own boat in Maine when he moored alongside Falcon II , then called Hayday . “I loved her,” Bruno says. The boat was raced successfully in the 2007 Eggemoggin Reach Race and then sold to Tom Hill, who raced her in Newport. Finally Bruno managed to convince his close friend Pascal Oddo, a French businessman, to buy her. Pascal had owned a motorboat until Bruno had introduced him to racing sailing boats.

What does a former motorboater make of classic sailing? Pascal Oddo is no ordinary motorboater and his “Minister of Sea Affairs”, Bruno Troublé is no ordinary sailor, but Pascal’s comments still ring true. He had turned first to a modern 86ft (26.2m) Philip Briand-designed superyacht and he enjoyed racing on various boats at St Tropez. “But at a certain level, if you race with a modern boat, you have only employees on board,” Pascal notes. “I realised that classic boats are a fantastic area for racing and sailing: competitive but not as specialised, it’s something you can do with your friends and your family. The boats are so beautiful and it’s very nice to sail on an historic boat that has a story. It’s another kind of ambience.”

“When we got her, we adjusted the rig and the sailplan for racing,” Bruno says. “In the Med, the CIM rules don’t measure the foot of the jib, and these boats never sailed with the big genoa overlaps like the 8-Ms did. So we put in a big overlap and this helped make her faster, particularly in light winds.” Bruno used other workings of the rules to his advantage: “CIM doesn’t measure the sail area, it measures the distance, for example the exact length of the boom and the distance from the lowest part of the mast to the block at the top. Therefore the sail has now been cut to end right at the end of the boom. There is no point having the mainsail end 30cm short!”

The boat has more than repaid everyone’s hopes. There’s no sign of weather helm, for a start. “I’ve been sailing all my life on the best boats and these Q boats are a dream to sail,” says Bruno. “Theyare true racing boats, you ease an inch on the main and it changes the boat completely. Adjusting the runners makes a difference. They’re extremely sensitive and subtle.”

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I am helping out an older friend whos husbard recently passed. He has a thistle wooden boat #198 (says that on the sails) that she wants to sell.  I looked for a hull number plaque or number and cant find one.   I know nothing about boats, but know this is an original garage kept one - in garage for 50+ yrs. The wife says it used to be raced at the Canandaigua yacht club.   I had a friend who is knowledgeable about boats look it over and he said it has everything that came with the boat - mast, boom,...

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1853 turn-key wood boat, fully rebuilt.

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Hi Class, I just finished refitting 3968 and I have some parts left over.  Perhaps your just starting a rebuild?  Perhaps just meed a couple cheek blocks? Harken gear Large to small 2- Dingy single 2- big bullet single 2- Carbo fiddle # 2655 1- Carbo fiddle with Becket #2656 2- bullet cheek 2- cleat riser 295 2- cleat riser angled 296 RONSTAN 3- 30mm swivel rf30100 2- 30mm block rf30101 3- 30mm cheek 1- 20mm double rf20202 1- 20mm double with becket rf20212 5- upright block side by side bolt rf 569 2- upright block front to back bolt...

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Designed by Eldredge-McInnis and built by Portsmouth Yacht Co., the Eastward Ho is a compact yet roomy sloop designed for family cruising in comfort. She is a proven design which combines traditional elegance with practical accommodations. Nothing has been overlooked to satisfy both the sailor and the cruising enthusiast. Her generous headroom, two berths, full galley, and enclosed head are unique on a boat of this size. Her spacious cockpit affords seats long enough for an afternoon nap or additional overnight guests. Sailing or under power she is lively and responsive with a motion reminiscent of a much larger boat. Her ample beam and sufficient ballast make her very stiff without sacrificing valuable draft.

Attabuoy  is in need of general cleaning inside and out and some cosmetic work. The keel will need some minor fiberglass work. The sails are like new. The engine turns over, but has not been operated for a number of years. Take a look and you will fall in love!

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Keel - internal lead

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Opening Ports - 2

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Anchors - 3

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Main - white, Dacron, The Yacht Sailmakers

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1976 PORTSMOUTH Eastward Ho All of the prep work has been done and she's just about ready for paint. This is a great opportunity for someone looking to customize an Eastward Ho their way and do it cheap!   Seller has all parts to complete this project. Also available separately is the completely rebuilt 14HP Volvo MD7A Diesel engine, ready to be placed in the boat.  Top to Bottom rebuild was performed by world renowned Monmouth Marine Engines of Brielle NJ. $3000 Invested.

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Eastward HO 24

Eastward HO 24 is a 23 ′ 7 ″ / 7.2 m monohull sailboat designed by Walter McInnis and built by C. E. Ryder starting in 1975.

Rig and Sails

Auxilary power, accomodations, calculations.

The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more.

Classic hull speed formula:

Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL

Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL

Sail Area / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more.

SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3

• SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
• D : Displacement in pounds.

Ballast / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize.

Ballast / Displacement * 100

Displacement / Length Ratio

A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more.

D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
• LWL: Waterline length in feet

Comfort Ratio

This ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more.

Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 )

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
• LOA: Length overall in feet
• Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet

Capsize Screening Formula

This formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more.

CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64)

Originally designed for wood contruction. The hulls of the later, FG version were built by CE Ryder (USA) and finished by Portsmouth Yacht Co. Diesel power was available as an option.

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Both salon settees turn into two twin beds so can sleep 4 adults. YEAR: 1977 MAKE: Portsmouth Yacht Co MODEL: Eastward Ho CLASS: Sloop, Pocket Cruiser LENGTH: 26' (24' with 2' boomkin) HULL MATERIAL: FIberglass reinforced plastic FUEL TYPE: Diesel. AIR CONDITIONING: Drop in Cruise Air. ALL PHOTOS ARE RECENT.

1978. 31'. 10'. 4.2'. Florida. $12,900. Description: Airyella is a classic New England style sloop - has incredible character, is very distinctive, and is a pleasure to sail. She is perfect for anyone looking for a boat that will sail, and anchor overnight with 1-5 people, comfortably in the bay and the Keys and beyond, at a fantastic price.

1976. 24'. 9'. 4'. Connecticut. $12,000. Description: Built by CE Ryder (USA) and finished by Portsmouth Yacht Co., Rhode Island, USA, this stout pocket cruiser is a solid full-keel sailing vessel. Omoo has had a lot of updates including new diesel engine (Kubota Beta marine), rebuilt gearbox (2021), new standing and running rigging (2020), new ...

Broker: Designed by Eldredge-McInnis and built by Portsmouth Yacht Co., the Eastward Ho is a compact yet roomy sloop designed for family cruising in comfort. She is a proven design which combines traditional elegance with practical accommodations. Nothing has been overlooked to satisfy both the sailor and the cruising enthusiast.

A boat with a BN of 1.6 or greater is a boat that will be reefed often in offshore cruising. Derek Harvey, "Multihulls for Cruising and Racing", International Marine, Camden, Maine, 1991, states that a BN of 1 is generally accepted as the dividing line between so-called slow and fast multihulls.

Model McInnis. Category Sailboats. Length 31'. Posted Over 1 Month. 1985 #1 Hull McInnis,31 ft., 4.5ft. draft, McInnis Cutter rig Eastward Ho series. 28hp Yanmar diesel, All hardwood Interior, Complete custom finished, In bristol condition. Completely blue water equipt.Leave Message at 772/283-0853. $40000.

Go to Sailing Texas classifieds for current sailboats for sale . Eastward HO 24, 1977 LOA 25'5" LWL 20' Beam 8'8" Draft 3'10" SA 283 sq ft Ballast 3,600 Displacement 7,000 Keel Full Designed by Thomas F. Eldredge/Walter J. Mcinnis and built by the Portsmouth Boat Company (UK).

Used 1978 Eastward Ho 31 for sale is located in Bienville National Forest (Mississippi, United States of America). This vessel was designed and built by the Eastward shipyard in 1978. Key features 1978 Eastward Ho 31: length 9.45 meters. engine: fuel type - diesel. 1978 Eastward Ho 31 refers to classes: sailing yachts , sailboats and sailing ...

Seller's Description. Portsmouth Eastward Ho 24, 1978 sailboat for sale I am selling my 1978 Portsmouth Eastward Ho 24 for $12,500. The boat is in Alamitos Bay (Seal Beach, CA / Long Beach, CA) where the buyer may assume the slip at $320 a month. Very nice location, across the street from the new 2nd and PCH outdoor mall.

Go to Sailing Texas classifieds for current sailboats for sale Eastward Ho, 24 ft., 1975 No. 55, 1975. Highly regarded Eldridge/McGinnis cruising design- Full keel, 4 ft. draft. ... The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more. Formula. D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³ ...

Seller's Description. 1980 Portsmouth Yacht Co Eastward Ho 31. She is a classic designed in 1959, built in 1980. Similar to the Sea Sprite 33 that Robin Graham sailed around the world. Custom interior Volvo Penta MD2B 25hp Nice thick teak toe rail Electric Windlass Auto Helm Updated hardware above deck Updated rigging Bimini, dodger frames ...

Search eastward ho 24 prices - more than 1 listings - Built by CE Ryder (USA) and finished by Portsmouth Yacht Co., Rhode Island, USA, this stout pocket cruiser is a solid full-keel sailing vessel. ... 1976 CE Ryder Eastward Ho 24 sailboat for sale in Connecticut. Ce Ryder eastward ho 24 . Built by CE Ryder (USA) and finished by Portsmouth ...

Boat Trader currently has 3 Eastward boats for sale, including 1 new vessels and 2 used boats listed by both private sellers and professional yacht brokers and boat dealerships mainly in United States. The oldest model listed is a contemporary boat built in 2018 and the newest model year of 2021.

Join Date: Aug 2018. Posts: 3. Eastward Ho 31 Sailboat. Cutter Rig. Eldredge McInnis design, built in RI by C. Ryder Yachts. Roller furling jib. Jib boom & roller for twin furlers. Re-built Volvo Penta 30hp with spare engine & transmission. Bimini & dodger.

35.5' Endeavour E35 Presently on the hard for winter storage at Morgans Marina, New Jersey Asking $35,000

2015 Malibu Wakesetter 22 VLX. Battle Creek, MI. $40,000. 2008 Hydra-Sports 2200 CC. Sarasota, FL. $26,500. 2 new and used Portsmouth Eastward Ho boats for sale at smartmarineguide.com.

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Advertisement. Eastward HO 24 is a 23′ 7″ / 7.2 m monohull sailboat designed by Walter McInnis and built by C. E. Ryder starting in 1975.