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• Start date 30 Nov 2009
• 30 Nov 2009

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Anyone know anything about the Reflex 38 racing yacht please?  

savageseadog said: Anyone know anything about the Reflex 38 racing yacht please? Click to expand...

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I've raced against them and chatted with people who have raced on them. Quick on most points of sail but struggle to live up to their handicap in a decent chop. I am told that accomodation is apparently not very good with not enough berths for the number of crew required to race the thing and those are not in the right areas for weight distribution for the off watch crew either.  

Reflex 38 I meant is built by Harley Race Boats and designer: Christian Stimson I was after the following: 1) Sailing quality in various wind conditions and directions? 2) Handicap on IRC ok or not? 3) Build quality, durability? 4) Comparisons with Prima 38? Anything else?  

savageseadog said: Reflex 38 I meant is built by Harley Race Boats and designer: Christian Stimson I was after the following: 1) Sailing quality in various wind conditions and directions? 2) Handicap on IRC ok or not? 3) Build quality, durability? 4) Comparisons with Prima 38? Anything else? Click to expand...

savageseadog said: 1) Sailing quality in various wind conditions and directions? Click to expand...

savageseadog said: 2) Handicap on IRC ok or not? Click to expand...

savageseadog said: 3) Build quality, durability? Click to expand...

savageseadog said: 4) Comparisons with Prima 38? Click to expand...

Judders said: I am told that accomodation is apparently not very good with not enough berths for the number of crew required to race the thing and those are not in the right areas for weight distribution for the off watch crew either. Click to expand...

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I own a Pronavia 38 - the cruising version of the Reflex 38, speak to www.sailinglogic.co.uk - RORC Yacht of the year this year and RORC school boat of the year for the last 5 years I believe. I cruise in my Pronavia 38 and its also raced, very fast cruising and it brings home the results on the race course - no complaints.  

tomframe said: I own a Pronavia 38 - the cruising version of the Reflex 38, speak to www.sailinglogic.co.uk - RORC Yacht of the year this year and RORC school boat of the year for the last 5 years I believe. I cruise in my Pronavia 38 and its also raced, very fast cruising and it brings home the results on the race course - no complaints. Click to expand...

sailed the prototype pronovia about 3yrs ago - didn't perform well against the reflex - heavier v poor quality fit out inside (looked v nice though), hatches leaked, tack on No 1 pulled out etc etc. we were disappointed - hope the production boats got better. again - repeating advice above - go and talk to the folks at sailing logic  

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Pronavia 38 Review

The Reflex 38 got a full makeover as a cruiser-racer – step forward the Pronavia 38. Rupert Holmes reports.

Many boats claim to be performance cruisers, but few make the grade. However, it’s instantly obvious that this design is different — it’s a true performance yacht, retaining the well-proven speed and stability characteristics of its predecessor, but with a completely redesigned and fully fitted lightweight interior. The new boat is available in two versions: a standard cruiserracer (as tested), or a high-performance model with a lighter foam laminate interior, plus carbon rig and rudderstock.

The Reflex 38 started life as a brief from Sir Robin Knox-Johnston’s Clipper Ventures company. He wanted a fleet of strong racing yachts, with ocean crossing capability, to train crews for roundthe- world voyages. The boat has proved to be one of the most successful designs of its size on the racecourse, both round the cans and offshore. For instance, Sailing Logic’s ‘Puma Logic’ was overall class winner in the IRC 1 RORC Series Championship in 2005, and finished third in class in that year’s Rolex Fastnet Race. In 2006 the same boat finished the selection trials for the Commodores’ Cup in second place, although controversially was not picked for the team.

Part of the original design brief of the Reflex was for high ultimate stability — the design has an AVS of 144 degrees. With the additional displacement of the Pronavia cruising version this is reduced by around five degrees, but is nonetheless still a very respectable figure. The 2.3m draught keel is an iron/lead composite structure, with a large bulb at the base giving a low centre of gravity. Add to that a ballast ratio of near 45 per cent for the raceboat (41 per cent for the cruiser) and you have a very stiff vessel with excellent sail carrying ability. A shoal-draught option of 1.75m is also offered.

The design excels in offshore events — as well successes in the Fastnet, the Reflex 38 has won its division crossing the Atlantic in the ARC and topped the field in the grueling Three Peaks Race four times running.

‘The new boat fulfills the potential the design always had,’ says designer Christian Stimson, ‘It has the benefit of a spacious and comfortable interior, without sacrificing performance.’ In part, this has been possible because the Reflex has a heavy low-tech 12mm plywood interior, so the redesigned interior is of similar weight, despite the huge improvement in comfort and sophistication. However, the extra equipment of the more cruising-oriented design, from a windlass to pressurised water systems, inevitably pushes the weight up. The IRC rating of the Pronavia comes out around 1.055, compared to the typical figure for a Reflex of around 1.067-1.069.

Rickard Eskilsson and Anders Ekstrand, who bought the Swedish boatyard six years ago, developed the Pronavia idea. Their search for a more up to date design led them to Christian Stimson’s Reflex 38; and they bought the moulds from Cowes-based builder Nigel Harley and commissioned stylist Roel de Groot to design the interior.

One of the key attributes of the Reflex 38 that has not changed is its structural strength. The laminate was engineered by SP Technologies to provide a balance between robust charter boat and performance racer, including a requirement to absorb the very considerable forces of running aground at 10 knots. The engineers’ calculations were proved accurate when a Reflex ran aground at speed on the wreck of the ‘Varvassi’ off The Needles — a hulk that claims raceboats almost every year. The impact left a large cauliflowershaped dent in the front of the foil, but incredibly there was no damage to the laminate structure or keel bolts.

Our test boat, ‘Seawolf’, was owned by Dave Latham of Atlantic Charters. The boat was based in the Solent area during summer 2006, before moving to Gibraltar for the winter season. Dave chose the Pronavia following a year’s experience of owning a Reflex 38. He was also drawn by the Swedish yard’s flexibility in incorporating his own requests into the build, yet the cost worked out around 20 per cent cheaper for a comparable specification. ‘Seawolf’ is fitted with almost all the available optional cruising comforts such as boarding ladder, cockpit shower and spray hood.

Externally, the main differences between the Reflex and Pronavia are in the cockpit area, where the seats extend further aft and the coamings are more rounded. Additionally the Reflex’s big wheel is eschewed in favour of twin wheels and the entire area is decked in teak. The steering positions from each side are nothing short of excellent, and there’s no evidence that the smaller wheels result in high steering loads feeding through to the helm.

Deck gear is by Lewmar and Spinlock, with an upgrade to Harken available as an option. A German mainsheet system is led to winches just forward of each wheel, where they can be reached from the helm if short-handed, or by a dedicated mainsheet trimmer. Under-deck halyards help to create a neat and uncluttered layout, boosted by flush-fitting hatches. The coach roof does not unduly hinder deck work and the conventional alloy toe rail is cut flat aft of the shrouds for comfortable hiking — overall it’s a better proposition for round the cans racing than that of many popular cruiser-racers. There’s a liferaft locker under the sole at the aft end of the cockpit, with space for a few fenders etc, but otherwise locker space is restricted on three-cabin boats. Two cabin models, however, have a large cockpit locker aft of the heads compartment.

The keel-stepped double-spreader 9/10ths fractional rig is alloy on cruiser-racer versions and carbon on the all-out racer. ‘Seawolf’ is equipped with cruising laminate sails, by Royal Sails of Sweden. Many Reflexes gain a small rating advantage by sailing with a maximum 130 per cent genoa, although Stimson recommends a 140 per cent headsail for the Pronavia: ‘It’s needed because of the extra weight — about threequarters of a tonne — of the cruising gear compared to a stripped out boat.’

On the water

Our test took place on the Solent, in 12-15 knots of breeze, with frequent gusts to 20 knots. Upwind the helm has a delightful positive feel and the boat falls easily into a deep groove, even without crew on the rail. There’s every indication that the boat will fulfill the polars, which show roughly seven knots of boatspeed and tacking through 70 degrees in these conditions.

Bearing off and hoisting the spinnaker the boat again showed a good turn of speed, and excellent control. When spinnaker reaching the boat remained under complete control with no sign of broaching, even in the gusts. At all times she readily responded to the helm to bear away, with the rudder retaining a good grip on the water throughout.

Two basic layouts are offered, with a choice of two or three cabins, and a degree of customisation is possible. There’s intelligent stowage space throughout the boat — it’s plentiful and wellplanned — and the general feel is light and airy. Granted, there are more spacious 38-footers, but none will match the performance and handling of this boat. The finish throughout is also worthy of mention — the mahogany joinery is executed to a high standard and a careful effort has been made to avoid any exposed fibreglass.

Right forward in two of the versions is a large owner’s cabin, with a 2.14m double berth. The spacious saloon and chart table areas, to port of the main cabin, are identical in all versions, as is the port side aft guest cabin.

A two-cabin layout has a generously-sized heads compartment aft to starboard, with a truly excellent galley stretching along the whole starboard side of the main cabin. This has an abundance of worktop space, as well as huge, but well-organised, stowage capacity. Some linear galleys are a nightmare to work at sea on the ‘wrong’ tack, but the custom centre-line saloon bench that Dave specified for ‘Seawolf’ offers something to brace against and makes the galley totally usable at sea.

The standard three-cabin layout has a second, smaller, aft cabin to starboard, and a smaller heads compartment immediately ahead of this. ‘Seawolf’ has a slightly different arrangement, with the heads compartment forward of the mast at the expense of a smaller forecabin. This has the  advantage of allowing a little more space in the  starboard aft cabin, as well as maintaining a similarly-sized galley to that of the two-cabin boat.

Pronavia 38 Review: Verdict

With 10 boats sold already, the Pronavia concept is  proving undeniably popular — with the marriage of  the Reflex 38’s race-winning heritage and the new  interior arrangements, this is a genuine dual-role  performance design with the potential to win races  both round the cans and offshore. Combining  cruising comforts with the ability to plane in wind  speeds over 20 knots is certainly appealing.

When sailed short-handed the boat’s high  stability and sail-carrying ability will prove a real  asset — a brisk, but relaxed, pace can be  maintained with few sail changes.

Initially the boat has been deliberately undervalued to get attention and represents  excellent value for money. Pricing will increase  year on year so residual values are not a worry  for buyers.

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Specifications REFLEX 38

1999 - 37.99 ft / 11.58 m - Christian Stimson - Harley Raceboats (UK)

REFLEX 38 Sailboat Data

Hull Type: Fin w/bulb & spade rudder Rigging Type: Fractional Sloop LOA: 37.99 ft / 11.58 m LWL: 34.12 ft / 10.40 m S.A. (reported): 930.54 ft² / 86.45 m² Beam: 12.80 ft / 3.90 m Displacement: 13,962.00 lb / 6,333 kg Ballast: 6,283.00 lb / 2,850 kg Max Draft: 7.55 ft / 2.30 m Construction: FG Ballast Type: Lead First Built: 1999 Builder: Harley Raceboats (UK) Designer: Christian Stimson

Information from  sailboatdata.com .

Type Engine: Diesel; Saildrive HP: 38 Hull Speed: 7.83 kn

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Description.

Originally designed by Christian Stimson and built by Harley Race Boats in Cowes.

This yacht has been privately owned for 16 years and has been professionally maintained throughout by the current owners and has been the subject of updating and also benefits from a good inventory of racing sails.

Set up for short handed cruising or racing as well as being set up for both assymetric and symetric spinnaker rigging.

Description

LOA: 11.58 mtrs / 37'6"

LWL: 10.40 mtrs / 33'8"

Beam: 3.89 mtrs / 12'6"

Draft: 2.30 mtrs / 7'4"

Displacement Weight: 6160 kgs.

IRC Rating : 1.031

Construction:

Hull - Isothalic resin Scott Bader 489PA

Deck - Balsa cored structure using polyester resin

Internal - Liner single skin polyester moulding

Keel - Lead & steel low centre of gravity keel

Yanmar 3JHSE 40hp (Fresh water cooled via heat exchanger with sea water input) Last serviced 2302 hours

Yanmar Sail Drive SD50 (New cones fitted 1799 hours New shaft seals 2179 hours)

Darglow 2 bladed 16" folding prop

Steering: Edson 60" Wheel

Fuel Capacity - 60 litres

Water Capacity - 70 litres Fiamma hard tank + 100 litre Plastimo soft tank

Electrical:

12volt Cabin Lights

12volt Red Night Lights in Saloon & Heads

40 w solar panel on roof

2 x 12volt 85 ah Domestic Battery

1 x 12volt 110 ah Engine Battery

Three Way Battery Isolator

BEP Matrix DC Meter Display

CD/radio with saloon & cockpit speakers

All in One 240volt AC 20 amp Battery Charger

240volt Shore Power Socket

Galvanic Isolater

Accommodation:

Ten Berths in total consisting of:-

Double Berth in Fore cabin

Port & Starboard Midship Berths with Pipe Cots above in Saloon

Port & starboard Quarter Berths with Pipe Cots above

Galley located Port Side Aft Saloon equipped with a stainless steel sink with cold taps, Theftford Gas Twin Burner, Cooker & Grill.

Separate Heads with Jabsco sea toilet, stainless steel sink with cold water tap. 

Mast & Rigging:

Aluminium Z Spars mast with twin swept back spreaders 2015

Aluminium Z Spars boom 2015 & dipping spinnaker pole

Aluminium Selden retractable bowsprit

Twin groove foil on Facnor flat deck furler 2015

Tidesmarine mast track system with matching aluminium cars on mainsail 2015

Mainsail stack pack with lazy jacks and removable bonnet

Kap sails headsail cover

Sail inventory:

No. 1 sails - lightweight 135% - good condition

No.3 tafetta backed, as new 2015

Main two reefs good condition 2015

Code zero on Selden furler, good condition

A2 light spinnaker in yellow , good condition

A3 reaching spinnaker in black, good condition

Heavy weather sails (headsails on collapsible inner forestay) No 4 in Dacron

RORC compliany storm sail & tri sail in Dayglo orange

Additional:

No 3 Quantum in working condition

3x Symmetric spinnakers, 0.5oz, 0.9oz, 1.5oz.

No 1 delivery sail, working condition.

Quantum laminate Main delivery sail, working condition.

Deck hardware

2 x Harken 46ST  speed sheet winches

2 x Harken 40, 2 speed spinnaker winches

2 x Harken 40, 2 speed self tailing halyard winches

10 Spinlock clutches

Harken towable genoa cars

All lines led aft to cockpit

2 x Genoa Halyards (1 Doubles as a spinnaker pole uphaul)

2 x Spinnaker Halyards

2 Main Halyards

Spinnaker Sheets & Guys

Genoa Sheets

Raymarine C80 Chart Plotter

Raymarine Hybrid touchscreen ploteer in cockpit

Advansea TR200 TX/RX AIS

Raymarine Tri Data (Wind, Depth & log) Instruments

Raymarine Smart Pilot with ST6001 Controller & Fluxgate Compass

Secondary Fluxgate Compasses Interfaced to ST40 Display

6 x ST6000 Displays in Cockpit & 2 NASA on mast.

1 ST6000 Multi Display @ Chart Table in saloon.

NASA Easy Navtext

Silva Bulkhead Compass

Plastimo hand held compass

Weems & Plath Chronometer & Barometer

CQR Anchor, chain & warp

Fenders & warps

Stainless Steel Pushpit, pulpit & double guardwires

Winch handles

Hydrovane self steering system (acts as secondary rudder to meet ISAF requirements)

Safety Equipment:

Seago 4 man valise liefraft (no longer in date)

ICOM DSC VHF Radio

Fire Blanket

Carbon Monoxide Monitor

1 x 12volt Bilge Pump

2 x Manual Bilge Pumps

Engine Count

Engine Horse Power

Engine Hours

Propeller Type

2 Blade, Bronze, Folding

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

Hull Material

Displacement(kgs)

6160 kilograms

Drive Transmission Description

Engine Type

No of Heads

ABOUT REFLEX 38

The Reflex 38 is 38 feet long and has a 13 feet beam and a draft of 2.3 meters. This 1999 diesel Reflex 38 powered by Yanmar 3JHSE with 40.0 horsepower. The Reflex 38 is made of fiberglass.

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