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S2 9.1 Meter North American One Design Class Association.

The 9.1 Meter is a 30 ft. one design racer/cruiser sailboat manufactured from 1983-1987 by S2 Yachts in Holland, Michigan.

The mission of the S2 9.1 Meter Class Association is:

•   to support and promote active one design racing of the S2 9.1 Meter

•   to facilitate the sharing of information regarding the use of the S2 9.1 Meter for racing, day sailing and cruising

•   to support the sailing interests of S2 9.1 Meter owners around the world

The S2 9.1 Meter Class Discussion Board is the official source for all information about the Class Association.   Inside you will find everything you need to know about Class Rules, activities, racing and the boat, including tons of technical info.

The public is free to view and read the Discussion Board but the Class Association requires that users establish a user “profile” before posting any comments or questions.   As a security measure to protect the information on this site and to prevent spamming of board members, all user profiles must be approved by the Class President before users can begin posting to the Discussion Board.   Instructions for establishing a user profile can be found at the top of the main Discussion Board page.   The approval process is typically very quick.   You will receive an email reply regarding the status of your user profile.   When you establish a profile, we ask that you provide as much information as possible about you and your boat and we encourage you to turn on the “automatic email notification” feature of your profile.   This feature automatically sends you an email any time someone posts on the Discussion Board, enabling you to quickly and easily contribute to the sharing of information and the satisfaction of sailing an S2 9.1 Meter sailboat.   Rest assured that the Class Association does not share your contact information with anyone – and, using the profile manager function, you have the option of hiding your information from public view.

We ask that all sailors of S2 9.1 Meter boats support the ongoing existence of this web site through the payment of annual membership dues.   Please print the membership form and mail your dues today. It is available in both PDF and RTF format for your convenience.

Contact information for the Class Association Officers can be found inside on the Discussion Board.   If you need technical assistance please send an email to:

The S2 9.1 Meter One Design Class Association is a member Class of US Sailing .

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Any S2 27 owners out there? That is - owners of the S2 27 "Performance Cruiser" built from '85-'87. I'm looking to get a small class association started and website. If interested, PM me offline. Rick S2 27 US 40521  

Rick, Now that you have had your 27 a while, what is your overall impression of the 27? Any cored hull issues? Thanks.  

See below - copied from my post on the sailboat owners.com website in November. BTW- no issues so far with cored hull - was surveyed before purchase. Also, S2 is known for good build quality and layup (certainly their Tiara powerboats are known) ####### Have had the 27 for one season. Also, have spoken to another S2 27 owner, and have looked at some posts in other sites. Here is more or less my comments in random order...overall i am happy with the boat. 1) is a relatively stiff boat that sails well to windward - can point very well. not too bad in lighter air. 2) not that fast downwind for some reason. need to fly the chute to get speed. 3) thoughtful placement (for the most part) of exterior sail handing gear, halyards, sheets, etc. 4) quality materials and very good build quality thruout - which is typical of S2/Tiara sail and powerboats. 5) the 1987 has a redesigned interior which seems better than the 85-86 6) is a mainsail driven boat - you can sail nicely with main alone - although the stock main has too much roach and gets caught on the backstay easily in light air. 7) the inboard yanmar 9hp is underpowered. in any seaway or chop or wind or tide, you will be lucky to get her over 4-4.5 knots - in low wind with current - and a clean bottom and prop with 6 people, I struggled to get over 5 knots - really needs a 12-13 hp motor. 8) you need to check the keel/blige area - some reports of cracking of inner liner to hull - but only in an area where there was no use of fiberglass cloth - so likely it is cosmetic. 9) the bilge design is not very good - way to shallow and no real way to place a pump effectively. 10) handles on a dime - it has a real tight turn radius and the rudder is well balanced. 11) these boats have a cored hull (and deck)- some people are not bothered by this - so you need to have a GOOD surveyor do a GOOD moisture check. 12) check chainplate areas - are prone to leaking (like most boats....) the spinnaker downhaul block also can leak - need to check that area too 13) generally she likes to sail in 10-15 knots with 3-4 people on board. since she's lighter than most 27 footers (5K lbs vs. 6-7 lbs) she'll start to heel more quickly in heavier air. 14) the life line stanchions are strange - the uprights mount such that you have to remove the base in order to remove the upright - which is not a good design in my mind. 15)i am thinking that the boat would motor better with a fixed 2-blade prop - but would suffer speed under sail 16) if you plan to race her - i think she suffers from a PHRF rating that is too low - the boat has a SA/D of 17 vs. C&C 27 MkV which has a 19-20 SA/D - yet the rating is the same - the boat is more a true "performace cruiser" than racer cruiser. 17) the location of traveller in middle of cockit is not great - you get your shins bruised...  

Rick, Since I don't have 10 postings yet, I can't PM you, but I wondered if you were able to get your class association off the ground. Anyone else have information on such an owners group?  

also an S2 27 owner I am also too recent a member to pm Rick. I acquired my S2 27 this summer and have enjoyed her thoroughly. Down to my last two weeks of the season on the Chesapeake... Please post any progress, Thanks.  

BobS2 said: I am also too recent a member to pm Rick. I acquired my S2 27 this summer and have enjoyed her thoroughly. Down to my last two weeks of the season on the Chesapeake... Please post any progress, Thanks. Click to expand...

Hull number Hull #50. Officially a 1986 boat, but it must be early '86 as the serial number indicates the hull being laid up in 1985. I'm a happy owner although I'd agree the <10hp diesel is a bit wimpy for a tough current in some inlet. The only problem I have is an odor issue. Apparently the P.O. left the holding tank full for several years of yard storage. I was told the hoses can get saturated, and I tried the wipe-with-a-rag-and-smell test, but didn't get an obvious blast of stink. The tank is pretty well obscured behind bulkheads so off season I guess I'll start pulling components til I get there. It's not a fresh sewage odor. It's just a vague acrid rankness that I can't pinpoint.  

BobS2 said: Hull #50. Officially a 1986 boat, but it must be early '86 as the serial number indicates the hull being laid up in 1985. I'm a happy owner although I'd agree the <10hp diesel is a bit wimpy for a tough current in some inlet. The only problem I have is an odor issue. Apparently the P.O. left the holding tank full for several years of yard storage. I was told the hoses can get saturated, and I tried the wipe-with-a-rag-and-smell test, but didn't get an obvious blast of stink. The tank is pretty well obscured behind bulkheads so off season I guess I'll start pulling components til I get there. It's not a fresh sewage odor. It's just a vague acrid rankness that I can't pinpoint. Click to expand...

Sorry guys - work has left me with not much time to pull together a website. However, I can start a yahoo newsgroup where we can share files, info et al. I will PM each of you individually with my email address so i can gather your email address and add you to the newsgroup. sounds good? Rick  

Thanks for the efforts, a mail group is a good starting point. Wish I had time to do more website stuff too. The main bilge is clean and gets no more than a few drops in heavy rain and the icebox drainage. I hand pump it and soap it out regularly. I did notice a tiny bit or water in the cockpit lockers last weekend though. The engine sump was really nasty when I bought it, I've scraped and cleaned and scraped and cleaned, but it could still be contributing. The water tank has been replaced very recently. Perhaps it had a similar problem as yours! It seems very accessible. I took a quick look this weekend and the waste tank does not appear to be easy to get at. Has anyone re-done their head/hoses/tank on this model?  

S2 27: odors & other info sources? Hmmm though I sent a reply a few days ago, but it's not here... There's rarely any water in the bilge. In a heavy rain, a few drops come down the inside of the mast. And some rain blows in around the hatch boards. I've scrubbed the bilge pockets out in August and besides the cooler drainage there's very little action there. I did see a little water in the cockpit locker last weekend. I re-read the hose saturation test: wet rag in place for some time, then smell. I'll try that later today when I sneak down to the marina to do the winterizing. She's hauled out for the season and flurries are forecast. I'll be replacing the speed log off season. The old unit is dead and I've just had gps speed info to work with. Learning to trim is fascinating and I'd like real water speed info. Besides, I'm about tired of stuffing batteries into and squinting at a handheld! Which brings up the question: where do I find the hull speed for this boat?  

BobS2 said: Hmmm though I sent a reply a few days ago, but it's not here... There's rarely any water in the bilge. In a heavy rain, a few drops come down the inside of the mast. And some rain blows in around the hatch boards. I've scrubbed the bilge pockets out in August and besides the cooler drainage there's very little action there. I did see a little water in the cockpit locker last weekend. I re-read the hose saturation test: wet rag in place for some time, then smell. I'll try that later today when I sneak down to the marina to do the winterizing. She's hauled out for the season and flurries are forecast. I'll be replacing the speed log off season. The old unit is dead and I've just had gps speed info to work with. Learning to trim is fascinating and I'd like real water speed info. Besides, I'm about tired of stuffing batteries into and squinting at a handheld! Which brings up the question: where do I find the hull speed for this boat? Click to expand...

Third attempt to post a reply.... don't know where they go..... The bilge is clean and gets very little water. The water tank is very recent. I'm suspicious of the engine sump though. It's hard to clean, and was very nasty when I bought her.  

New S2 27 owner Hello All, I just purchased a 1986 S2 27 last fall. I'd like to join your group. Joe  

glad to see some traffic Thanks for the hull speed info, R. I look forward to beating it soon after launch day. That should be early April for me. We just had a freak warm weekend so there was a flock of early birds in the marina. I pulled the head intake thru hull fitting today and was please to find a dry core. I had to look up Lake St. Clair on the map. When is ice-out up there? What's the hull number of your boat? Cabintop or cockpit traveler? I would like to find info from someone who has rigged control lines on the cabintop traveler. Those spring pins are a pain. Thanks  

>>BobS2 wrote: I would like to find info from someone who has rigged control lines on the cabintop traveler. Those spring pins are a pain. I agree that those spring pins are a pain. After I broke my original cabintop Lewmar traveler car and blew out the rubber end cap on the track, I replaced the whole shebang with a Harken traveler with 4:1 purchase control lines. Overall, a much better system than the obsolete Lewmar with the spring pins, but likely a far more beefy system than I really needed. Two downsides for me, so far. First, the profile of the track and the end control is higher, so visibility over the cabintop is reduced. Secondly, the total travel port to starboard is a few inches less, because of the endcontrols and the longer length of the traveler car itself. I *do* like the new system much better tan the old one, however. The control lines are cleated on the end controls, and are easy to use. The lines simply hang down in the companionway.  

good traveller info Thanks, I've seen the Lewmar Ocean size 1 traveller kit advertised. Any opinions? The loss of range is a big consideration. Has anyone considered extending the length of the track a bit? Adding support under the track beyond the width of the hatch cover shell? So far resetting the stock traveller in mid tack has been a bit of an exercise. I can see how an end cap blowout will eventually happen...  

A note for a new traveler... My new Harken traveler does not have pre-drilled holes for mounting. Instead, there is a channel in the track that is designed to take stainless steel slides, whose positions are adjustable left to right. The slides have bolt holes in them. I inserted the bolts into the slides, then I simply slid the slides into the track, aligned the bolts over the old holes, snugged down the traveler (with 3M 4200 beneath and in the holes), and tightened the sucka down. In other words, I didn't have to drill new holes in the storm hood to install the Harken traveler. I did remove the vertical washboard "keepers", which allowed me to slide off the Lexan hatch. I could then access the traveler bolts from the companionway to put on the washers and locknuts without removing the storm hood (which would have been a can 'o worms that I didn't want to open! That would have required lots of rebedding of many bolts.) So my caution is this: if you get a new traveler that is predrilled, make sure that the boltholes line up with the old holes, or you are in for a LOT of additional work. The Harken slide system worked great for this. I hope this is helpful. FWIW.  

excellent info Thanks for the tips! I ordered the Lewmar, which also has a sliding bolt channel in the track. I'll be figuring a way to fabricate some support for the track ends to extend the width of the system to keep from losing too much travel. A block of teak on either side of the hatchcover perhaps. It looks like there's plenty of room. As for bedding, I found a soggy chainplate bulkhead this past weekend... the pre -launch list just got a little longer.  

I just found your threads and thought I'd post: I have owned S2 27 no. 81 for about two years now. Not much to add to the cabin top traveller discussion, except that mine also has the Lewmar cabin top arrangement. I have changed out the cam cleats, as it was already set up with control lines when I purchased the boat. If there is an owners forum dedicated to the S2 27 somewhere, I'd be interested in joining. Thanks.  

Welcome. I have hull #80, build year 1987. I have a question for you. Does your boat have a compression post in the salon? All the literature I've read states that 27s have keel stepped masts, which I am sure the pre-'87 models do. Mine doesn't, however, so I am interested in hearing about your mast configuration.  

Glad to see another S2 27 owner! This thread seems to be about the closest thing to a group I've found. I purchased hull #50 last summer. Found some soggy core in the cabintop, so the new traveller install will coincide with that repair as soon as possible. Where do you sail?  

Bob - a while back I mentioned forming a class assoc, etc. but with so few boat owners, and spread thin geographically, it wasn't financially feasible. next best thing would be a yahoo newsgroup - since we could control access and share information and documents in private. the newsgroup would be easy to set up. if more are interested pls PM me and I'll set up the group in the next few weeks. Rick  

All I just created a yahoo news group, if interested in sharing info and docs - send an email to: s227classassociation "at" yahoogroups "dot" com pls reference the sailnet and your hull # so I can eliminate any spam...  

S2 27 I just found the forum don't know if you still use it. I have an 1986 S2 27 and have owned it for 11 years. I love the boat its been a great boat for the family and I have done a bit of racing as well. Mine is the cruiser version which I have somewhat changed so I could better race. I think I'm either 44 or 72 cannot remember.  

Hello Dreamteam, I do still use this forum, just not too regularly. I have been trying to tune my rig a bit better for racing. Have been experimenting with shroud tension. What type of keel do you have? Mine is the shoul keel. Winter is about to bite us here in MI. I plan to pull the mast on Sunday and pull it out of the water on Monday. Glad you're on the forum. Stay in touch.  

Sail S2 27 I have sailed mostly on a Lake in GA but this last year I move to a lake in SC. I have the standard keel.  

Dreamteam and crescentsail I have slowly pulled together a yahoo newsgroup with a few s2 27 owners. Granted our posting activity has been minimal but we have gathered info on the boat of interest to owners. See my post above if you email to the class association email addres I will give you permission to access the forum.  

Hello Rperret, I can PM you about the class association becuase I have <5 posts, so with this I'll have 4. Sorry to clutter up the new group.  

That should have read can't (not can). So now this will be posting #5 for me. Again I appologize for using up space unneccesarily.  

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Why did you buy your S2?

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What was it that made you decide to buy your S2?  

I bought my S2 9.2C because I liked the layout. Many years ago (approx. 20 or so) I saw the 9.2C for the first time and thought it had more room for a boat that size than any other that I had seen before and since. I also liked the bathtub! I had wanted this boat since and finally found one for sale that I could afford. I also liked the reviews that the S2 got. Every time I went to the Annapolis boat show I compared what I saw in the 30 to 35 foot range with the 9.2C. If I were ever to 'move up' I would look for an 11.0C!  

I bought my S2 9.2A on an auction site .....the reason is the reviues i read..... i had looked at a catalina 30 ft 1984 and though the boat was layed out well other than the engine being under the salon seat mid ship.....and i didnt like the way the keel and rudder were shaped...i also had a very small budget to spend...i also looked at a Irwin 30 with a center board ...that i also didnt like very well......the cabin is some what smaller on the 9.2A as copaired to the cat 30, but the cat had a stright cockpit were as the S2 has a tee shaped ...... so i figured if i was going to do a refit on an old boat it might as well be one with a sound topside and an undamaged hull ......and in the long run....i feel that i have made a wise choice......i do know that i am haveing to do a lot of r and r but based on the out come i will have a very strong boat and hopefully one that is low maintance other that the normal things and to this boat is easy to work on ....... regards woody no offence to the cats and the Irwins intended  

For us it was the tee-shaped cockpit and the overall build quality for the price. You have to buy a much newer and more expensive Catalina 30 to get a tee-shaped cockpit. Hunter was an early adopter, but to be frank after being high on the H30 I saw a few on the hard and was less impressed. The H31 is a big boat, but the build quality of the mid 80's Hunters I had fallen for at a boat show in mid 80's was just proving to be fair at best. I fell pretty hard for the Newport 30, which has some great design features. Engine access from the cockpit, a pull out nav table and well conceived if busy layout. However, the first had wet decks, the second a big price tag and a mast badly in need of painting and general TCL and the third a bad grounding which led me conclude that the build quality of the hull of the last generation boats was a little dicey. I was searching for options. I made a spreadsheet with what I wanted and needed rated and started all over. The O'day 30/31 made the list, but I was a little disenchanted with O'day after seeing marginal glass work on an O'day 28. Later O'day's got crossed off for marginal keel attachment. Then one day I happened upon an S2 9.2A. I had picked up a brochure for one way back at that mid-80's boat show along with the Hunter brochures (28.5 and 31) and a brochure for a boat I had never heard of, but which very much impressed me...an Island Packet 31. The first 9.2A I looked at is still on the market, last I checked, and can only be even more neglected than when I last saw her with her improperly installed new fixed ports popped off and her blue tarp fragmenting and blowing in the wind. The look of her was enough to set me searching for more. Tee cockpit...excellent engine access...nice glass work...the only area they lacked at all to my mind was ventilation...with a single opening port in the head to supplement the hatches. Two more S2's later and the rest is history. I ended up with a solid boat with relatively few design lapses. If I could change anything it would be the mounting of the engine, which was lackadaisical at best.  

woodster said: I bought my S2 9.2A on an auction site .....the reason is the reviues i read..... i had looked at a catalina 30 ft 1984 and though the boat was layed out well other than the engine being under the salon seat mid ship.....and i didnt like the way the keel and rudder were shaped...i also had a very small budget to spend... ....... Click to expand

Re: Auction site? In my previous response I mentioned 'layout'. What I did not specifically mention was the aft cabin. I had looked at a 9.2A and while I liked it, I was still much more impressed with the center cockpit version because of the aft cabin and how the rest of the interior flowed from it. Although I tend to be a traditionalist when it comes to boats (I don't like the looks of the new designs) I do like the center cockpit for their interior and because I like the benefits of being a little more forward and higher while in the cockpit (drier, better visibility, etc.).  

BobM said: Woody...did you buy her off ebay? Seems like you got a pretty good deal on her. Care to share how good? I saw one around 10K with an Atomic 4, but up here diesels were 15-20K. I finally concluded that I should buy the best boat I could no matter what the price. Mine was the most expensive of three on the market in the NE at the time at 21K. There was one for more money with an upgraded diesel for nearly 30K, but he pulled her off the marked and sold her a year later. A beautiful example came on the market in RI about two months after I bought mine, but no regrets. All old boats need some TLC but she is solid and worth restoring and that was what mattered most to me. Click to expand

Review of the 9.2 http://books.google.com/books?id=jU...Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=S2 genoa used 9.2&f=false  

BobM said: Woody, I just told you how to make cushions easily and nearly for free! Material, some 1/4 plywood, stainless staples, foam and a staple gun. No sweat I just saw 60 yards of marine material for $200 on ebay with free shipping too. I was just looking up Catalina 30 info and a C30 jib, if you can find one, is a pretty close match (normal, not tall rig). It will be a little short, but not much and that will give you better vision under sail. Do you have a roller furler? HUGE sail at Defender right now if not...50% off in many cases. Huge sales on sails too at FXsails. Click to expand

Articles of interest http://goodoldboat.org/reader_services/articles/sailbroker.php on buying used sails and some compromises you can make. http://goodoldboat.org/reader_services/articles/5yearplan.php on rescuing a salvage boat on a budget The CDI likely uses a #6 luff tape. I'll keep my eyes open for a used sail. You never know. There is a guy at my club with a 9.2A who might have something. I'll ask around.  

BobM said: http://goodoldboat.org/reader_services/articles/sailbroker.php on buying used sails and some compromises you can make. http://goodoldboat.org/reader_services/articles/5yearplan.php on rescuing a salvage boat on a budget The CDI likely uses a #6 luff tape. I'll keep my eyes open for a used sail. You never know. There is a guy at my club with a 9.2A who might have something. I'll ask around. Click to expand

Why I bought my S2 8.0C S2 Sailing Buddies: What a good question to answer....Wanting to move up from trailable day sailors, I came across on E-bay an 8.0C in my home state of North Carolina 3 years ago. It was clean and sound, and a good value. I had studied the 30C ( love the bathtub, too!)and some on the 8.0C. I liked the center cockpit and high freeboard. At 60, my wife and I seek comfort and stability, not speed and this suits us well. At 6'3" I can stand in the main cabin. The rear stateroom is a hoot. What sold me was the 2'6" shoal draft which is needed in the shoal NC bays and the 30 HP Atomic 4- it is a mini motor sailor....I have covered most of the 1970s yellow Formica doors and cabinets in teak vennier as well s added some teak wall cabinets throughout. It had good storage for a 26, but I made it better. Like most of us S2 owers, we don't have a strong desire to move up. This 26 footer thinks its a 30 footer and I am not about to tell it otherwise!...Capt Ray  

Re: Why I bought my S2 8.0C Wow. A 30 hp Atomic 4 in an 8.0C...can you waterski behind it? In my opinion S2 did some pretty amazing things and it is a shame they got out of the sailboat business. Think about it. In the 70's to mid 80's f you are looking for a 6.8 - 8.0M trailerable boat, a 8.0 - 11.0 M cruiser or a 5.5 - 10.3M racing boat S2 had a quality sailboat for you. That is a pretty fantastic line-up of boats!  

I bought my 6.8 because I grew up sailing on my Dad's 6.8. Prior to buying mine, I owned a Venture 21, a Venture 25, and a Macgregor 25, and I'd looked at a Catalina 22, but it wasn't roomy enough inside. The Ventures and the Mac were great for inland lake sailing, but I was once out on Lake Erie sailing my Venture 25, in some pretty rough weather. Dad was sailing his S2, and we were all sailing from Put in Bay back to Sandusky. Waves were about 8', and the wind was lifting my sliding hatch in its tracks. My brother was with me in the V-25, and Mom, my sister and the dog were with Dad. My brother and I started out sailing with the mainsail from my AMF Apollo (16 footer). We soon decided that was too much sail area for that boat that day. So, we took the sail down and started motoring, and it wasn't long before we decided to head for Kelley's Island until the wind & waves died down. Meanwhile, Dad and my sister sailed the S2 all the way back to Sandusky with a reefed main and 80% jib. After a couple hours, things calmed down and we sailed back under full V-25 main and working jib. All ended well, but that was the trip that made me decide my next boat would be an S2 6.8, just like Dad's. I really like how S2 built their boats with enough hardware to actually sail it. My Mac/Ventures all got lots of additional hardware, just to bring them up to the level the S2 lineup had from the factory.  

I DIDNT buy my S2 yet. But I am looking for a 9.2c in the Ohio and Lake Erie area.  

Venture 17 Enjoyed your story. I had a Venture 17 as my first major sailboat. I called Ventures the VW of the sailing world. They were cheap, take a lot of abuse and cheal. Like a first car VW bug. I was with the Coast Guard and one Nnovember day was at CR base Sanduskey. The biggest and stormiest waves I ever saw were coming off that shallow lake. I can just see what you went through. i agree with you on the merits of the S2 line. Capt Ray  

Re: Venture 17 Never underestimate a lake. The only time I ever had a crew rapidly don life jackets was on Lake Winnepisaukee in NH. We were out on a 19 foot bowrider in may. I should have guessed something was up when the rental place gave us a free upgrade from a 17 footer. The wind was blowing the length of the lake and there were 3-4 footers out there LOL. Waves were breaking over the bow!  

I fell for the S2 27 I started looking for a boat after a friend acquired a mid '70s C&C 27 and I spent some time on the water again. (I did a lot of boating as a kid with my family.) I stumbled upon an S2 27 undergoing restoration while traveling in New Hampshire in the spring of '08. I was able to prowl around it and really liked the open cabin and long cockpit compared to the more traditional C&C layout. That NH boat was priced way too high for a repaired salvage, so I started looking online. I liked what I read about the company and the boats. I found mine on ebay about a month later and it was close enough to look over in person. I got a copy of the survey (about a year old) and placed a bid. Fortunately, the bidding didn't make reserve so I was able to haggle the old fashioned way...by email & telephone. I really enjoy the boat. The keel is the shoal version which is nice for the upper Chesapeake. Maybe that will limit me in bigger water & weather, but I've found she really cooks with a reef in anyway! The fun moment was when I caught and passed my buddy in that C&C 27 last fall. (my profile thumbnail was taken from his boat) Come On Spring!  

We wanted to go cruising once I retire nothing too extreme, Gulf Coast, Florida, and then the Bahamas. Then diesel prices shot up to $4.50 a gallon here in Texas, and that made cruising in a powerboat, at least for us, questionable. So we started looking for a sailboat, something inexpensive to learn on, nothing fancy just something to literally test the waters. Neither of us had ever been on a sailboat, we have always had a power boat of one type or another. We reasoned that if we liked sailing we could buy a larger boat to actually go cruising in. We looked at a lot of sailboats in the Houston/Kemah/Galveston area. After about 6 months we found this S2 9.2A. As soon as we stepped aboard we noticed how roomy she was, how well built everything was, she was comfortable and beautiful, it just felt right. Our first ever sail was that same week with the surveyor, he also gave us our first sailing lesson. We bought her. A year and more than three dozen day sails later, we are still planning on retiring and sailing away, but we are going with her. We are still learning and scratching off lines from our lengthy "to do" list, but we are having a blast and looking forward to a sailing retirement.  

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Within a wide field of well-designed and competitive racer/cruisers of the 1970s, the S2 9.2 stands out, mainly because it wears its age very well. Without a scoop transom and boarding steps or skinny portlights below the sheer, it still looks modern. The flat sheer, sloping deckhouse, almost-flush Lexan forward hatch, hinged anchor lid, and tinted deadlights are familiar features on boats built three decades later. The carefully detailed teak handrails set on molded fiberglass spacers are unobtrusive while emphasizing the hull’s refined shape and unified design. Nothing is exaggerated in the interest of the fashions of the day or to suit a rating rule.

Powerboat builder Leon R. Slikkers founded S2 Yachts in 1974 and commissioned Arthur Edmonds, designer of the Allied Princess 36 and Mistress 39, to design the S2 9.2A (for its aft cockpit) and the S2 9.2C (for its center cockpit). Over 700 A and C models were sold. Both versions have the same hull, fin keel, partially balanced skeg-hung rudder, and masthead sloop rig. The single-spreader aluminum mast, painted black (an S2 trademark) is stepped on deck over a compression post that’s built into the main bulkhead.

The hull is solid, hand-laid fiberglass. It has an inward-turning flange at the sheer to which the balsa-cored deck is bolted through an extruded aluminum toerail. There’s no molded interior liner. Bulkheads and furniture are tabbed to the hull, which contributes to its structural stiffness. Two tons of lead ballast is encapsulated in a sealed keel cavity. Well-cared-for boats show little wear and tear after three decades of hard sailing, and, owners agree, the gelcoat is generally free of stress cracks even where moldings take tight bends.

The T-shaped cockpit is comfortable and workmanlike. The starboard seat opens to general storage and access to the stuffing box and engine controls. Additional storage is located under the helmsman’s seat in twin lazarettes.

Everything on deck is carefully laid out. The mainsail is sheeted abaft the 28-inch wheel, where it’s out of the way but in reach of the helmsman. The 8-inch stern cleats are mounted on anti-chafing pads and close to hand. Engine controls are similarly convenient to the helm. Early boats had Atomic 4s, but a variety of diesel engines were fitted after 1978.

The engine box provides a wide first step down to the cabin. A small corner galley to starboard of the companionway contains a sink, icebox, and stove. Opposite is a quarter berth and navigation space with a folding seat and table. Headroom is 6 feet 3 inches aft and drops gradually to about 5 feet 10 inches toward the forward cabin.

The saloon table and settee convert to a double berth and, together with a 6-foot-6-inch settee opposite, make a comfortable eating, lounging, and sleeping area. A double berth is located forward of the wardrobe and head area. Generous use of teak, both solid and ply, contributes to a sense of quality throughout the boat, but the polypropylene carpeting used to line the hull ages unattractively.

Sailing the S2 9.2 is a treat. In 15 to 17 knots, it heels sharply under the mainsail and 150-percent genoa before settling in to make 5 or 6 knots upwind. Weather helm is noticeable in stronger gusts, but the boat is generally well balanced and always manageable, even in lumpy seas. All in all, the S2 9.2 is a well-designed, tough, and able 30-footer with good performance for racing or cruising.

Architect Richard Smith and his wife, Beth, sail their Ericson Cruising 31, Kuma, in the Pacific Northwest.

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A fast boat targeted at a variety of sailors, the 7.9 makes a good racer, but not a cruiser.

After Leon Slikkers sold Slickcraft, his powerboat company, in the early 1970’s, he built a sailboat factory the way a sailboat factory should be built. The result was S2 yachts and a factory quite in contrast to the normal dingy warehouse with blobbed polyester resin hardened on rough concrete floors.

Originally known for cruising designs, S2 Yachts opened their second decade in business by entering the high performance field, building first a trailerable racer/cruiser, the S2 7.9. The 7.9 stands for meters, which translates into American as 25′ 11″. The boat stayed in production up until S2 shut down its sailboat operations in 1986.

Designed by the Chicago-based naval architects Scott Graham and Eric Schlageter, the 7.9 was the first in a series of competitive production boats. The series was originally called “Grand Slam,” but the company later dropped the designation. With over 400 built between the boat’s introduction in 1982 and 1986, the 7.9 was relatively successful during a time when few boats in its size range were selling.

The 7.9 was a pricey boat for her size. Equipped with sail handling gear, four sails (main, jib, genoa, and spinnaker), outboard motor, speedo, and compass, her 1985 price was about $27,000. For comparison, a comparably equipped J/24 of the time would run you around $21,000, an Olson 25 about $22,000. Add an inboard engine, a trailer, and miscellaneous gear and you could easily have dropped $36,000 on the 7.9—a hefty tab for a 26′ boat.

Construction

The hull and deck of the 7.9 are hand-laid fiberglass, cored with end-grain balsa. S2 bragged about its glasswork, and the company had a high reputation in the industry for both its gelcoat and its hand layup.

Beginning somewhere around hull number 400, S2 switched from conventional polyester resin to a modified epoxy resin—AME 4000. The company claimed the epoxy resin is stronger, lighter, and less subject to blistering.

The hull is fair with no bumps or hard spots evident—probably the result of the company’s practice of installing most of the interior before removing the hull from its mold. The gelcoat appears to be thicker than is usual in production boats—a good

feature since minor scratches and dings can be “rubbed out” without penetrating to the laminate.

For their standard hull-to-deck joint, S2 used an inward turning flange onto which the deck molding is set—a desirable design, especially when bedded in flexible adhesive (such as 3M 5200) and through bolted at close intervals. However on the 7.9, rather than being through bolted, the deck is mechanically fastened to the hull only with screws through the slotted aluminum toerail, a detail that indicates the boat is not intended for heavy-duty offshore work.

The boat came with a one-design package of good quality deck hardware. All hardware is through bolted, with stainless backing plates on the lifeline stanchions but with only washers and nuts on all other hardware. This would seem to be problematic with the balsa core, but we have heard no reports of problems so far.

Although the company offered the boat in a fixed keel version, the vast majority of boats have a lead ballasted daggerboard.

The advantages of a daggerboard are, first, that it retracts to be flush with the bottom of the hull to make the boat trailer launchable, second, that you can float the boat in a mere 13″ of water (though she will have no directional control with the board totally up—you’ll need at least a foot of board showing for control under sail or power), and, third, with the board totally down, the boat has a 5′ deep hydrodynamically efficient keel, a depth that would be extreme on a fixed-keel boat this size.

The disadvantage of the daggerboard will come in a hard grounding. Whereas a centerboard would kick out of the way, the board is likely to bash around a bit in its trunk. A nice detail by S2 is that the bottom opening of the trunk is surrounded by a strong weldment which will mitigate the potential damage to the hull from a grounding. Another potential disadvantage is that, on many boats, the daggerboard trunk messes up the interior, but the designers have done a good job on the 7.9, incorporating the daggerboard into a centerline bulkhead.

Nearly a third of the 1,750 pounds ballast is in the board, with the remaining two-thirds glassed to the interior of the hull. When the board is fully lowered, it fits snugly in a V-Shaped crotch—a good design detail—but when it’s raised out of the V using the three-part tackle and winch, it will bang about loosely in the daggerboard trunk. There is no way to pin the board down—an obvious potential problem in severe conditions.

The boat, however, has passed the MORC self-righting test with the daggerboard in the fully raised position. In the test, the mast-head is hove down to the water, the bagged mainsail and genoa are tied to the masthead, and the whole shebang released. This is not a test of ultimate stability, since other boats which passed the test have turtled and sunk, but it is reassuring. However, the design is clearly dependent mostly on its beamy hull form for righting and not on its ballast—another indication the boat is intended for close-to-shore sailing.

The transom-hung rudder—pivoted for trailering—is of foam-cored fiberglass (the foam gives it neutral bouyancy in water). We like the idea of a transomhung rudder: it’s accessible for inspection and service, it lessens the potential damage to the hull that can occur when a rudder smashes into something, and it gets the rudder farther away from the keel to give the tiller a more responsive feel.

The fractional rig—with mast and boom made by Offshore Spars—is dinghy-like, having swept-back spreaders which make the upper shrouds function as backstays. The actual backstay does virtually nothing to support the rig; instead, its primary function is to bend the mast to control mainsail performance. Although the mast is easily bendable, it’s a surprisingly heavy section for a modern racing rig—it’s also untapered. Everything is internal in the mast and boom, with all lines eventually coming back to the cockpit in typical modern racing style.

Upper and lower shrouds attach to inboard chainplates. The starboard chainplate is attached to a well bonded plywood bulkhead, but the port chainplate is longer, attached to the fiberglass structure which forms the front edge of the galley. Since there is a 2′ “free span” of unsupported chainplate between the galley and deck, the chainplate in the highly-loaded rig works a lot, and one of the most common owner complaints about the boat is the leaking port chainplate that results.

A fiberglass floorpan makes up the berths, floor, and galley area. Instead of a ceiling, S2 uses carpeting for interior covering of the hull. One good detail about the carpeting is that Velcro will stick to it—you can hang anything anywhere—but we have to wonder how the carpet will stand up to salt accumulation. There is virtually no bilge, so water inside will turn everything soggy.

Generally, the boat is well constructed, with good detail work and hardware. While we believe that every “racer-cruiser” should be designed and built to handle extreme conditions offshore, the hull shape, the daggerboard design, and the hull-to-deck joint show us that S2 did not intend for this boat to be involved in those extremes.

Handling Under Power

The standard 7.9 is be outboard powered. The option was a BMW 7.5 hp one-lung diesel with the shockingly high price tag of $5400 new. When BMW got out of the marine business, S2 offered the boat with the 7.5 hp Yanmar.

The little diesel handles the boat well, though owners report that it will not punch through a heavy headsea. This is probably more the result of the folding Martec prop which comes as part of the inboard package rather than any lack of power in the engine.

The inboard installation is well done. The ply-wood stringers glassed to the hull support vibration-damping mounts for the engine. Standard installation includes a stainless steel eight gallon fuel tank, properly grounded, a heavy duty Purolator filter/water-separator, a waterlift muffler, and single-lever shift/throttle controls.

Both the fuel shut off and the fuel filter are difficult to get to—through an inspection port in the port quarterberth—but access to the engine is otherwise good, with hinged companionway steps opening out of the way so dipstick, decompression switch, engine controls, water pump are easy to get at. For more serious work on the engine, the quarterberth panels are removable for virtually total access. One good feature of the BMW is that it is the one engine we’ve ever seen that is actually easy to start by hand cranking. It made S2’s one-battery installation workable. With the Yanmar, owners may want to look for a place to stow a second battery; offhand, there’s no obviously good location.

As you might expect on a 4400 pound boat, the outboard is minimally adequate except for backing up and except in any wind or sea conditions. We would normally recommend the inboard for the 7.9, but there is a problem—the underwater drag of the shaft, strut, and propeller—an important consideration for the racer.

Our conclusion is that the serious racer should probably look for the outboard model and just suffer the poor performance under power. If you will be primarily daysailing, weekending, and cruising, we recommend the inboard.

If you’re planning a combination of racing and cruising, you’ll just have to make a judgment which aspect you want to emphasize.

Handling Under Sail

The 7.9 is a proven performer under sail, being not only a fast boat for her size but also competitive in handicap racing under MORC and PHRF. Her PHRF rating of 168 says that she’s about the same speed as the J/24, Merit 25, and similar current racing boats, and about the same speed as such older racer-cruisers as the Pearson 30, Cal 34, Catalina 30 tall rig, or Irwin 30.

With her narrow entry forward, a big fat rear end, and a fractional rig with most of the power in the mainsail, she will be better behaved than her high-performance cousins designed to the IOR rule. Owners report that her one bad habit is to wipe out in heavy puffs when beating.

Her dinghy-shaped hull means she’ll have to be sailed flat for best performance, which in turn means lots of lard on the rail when the wind pipes up. Five people, the heavier the better, is de rigueur for heavy air racing.

For daysailing and cruising, she’s got plenty of reefable sail area, and she should perform well with the four standard class sails: main, 155% genoa, 105% jib, and spinnaker.

Peak performance will take lots of tweaking and fiddling with the rig. This will be no problem for the high-performance dinghy sailor graduating to a cruising boat, but it will take a lot of learning about mastbend and sail shape for the newcomer. Nonetheless, even when not tuned to perfection, she should perform well enough to be a pleasant daysailer for the weekend hacker.

Deck Layout

The 7.9’s inboard shrouds, wide decks, and big cockpit will make for pleasant moving about on deck. The nonskid is good—among the best we’ve seen in a production boat. It will remove skin from bare knuckles.

The boat will be sailed from the cockpit, and she’s well laid out for sail handling. The primary winches are, if anything, oversize—a true rarity these days—and the secondary winches on the cabin top are adequate for halyard and spinnaker work. (Note, though, that the lead daggerboard is raised and lowered using the starboard secondary winch. One of our readers reports blowing up the winch; another says, “The #16 winch is inadequate for a woman or small man to handle the board.”)

Like the J/24 and other performance boats, the helmsman and crew will sit on the deck rather than in the cockpit when racing. However, unlike the J/24, the 7.9 does have a true cockpit, and it’s comfortable. The seat bottoms are slightly concave, the seat backs are nearly a foot high and contoured to support the small of the back, and seat-to-sole distance gives comfortable leg room. The mainsheet traveler is smack in the middle of the cockpit and will prove a shin ravager until you get used to it. But, the cockpit will comfortably daysail six and drink eight at dockside and is definitely a strong point for the boat.

There are two substantial cockpit lockers for stowage. Several owners report that the lockers leak—a nuisance in what appears to be an otherwise dry boat.

As one owner puts it, “The interior does the best it can.” With about 5′ 4″ headroom, the cabin will require stooping for most people. Still, we admire S2’s restraint—they could have easily added 6″ to the doghouse to get “standing” headroom. And to get a boat that would be as ugly as some of their early cruising models.

S2 was not suckered by the how-many-does-shesleep syndrome for this model. Both quarterberths are long and wide, and the forward V-berth is truly sleepable with the boat dockside or at anchor. The only drawback to the arrangements is that the space between berth and side decks is so short that sitting upright will be uncomfortable for anyone over 6′.

The galley (or, more accurately, the galley area) is absolutely minimal, with a shallow sink and small icebox. There’s a tiny counter area—either for counterspace or for a one-burner alcohol stove—but anyone wanting to weekend or cruise with more than PB&J’s will have to revamp the galley.

The daggerboard trunk is well disguised, forming one wall of the head. The head itself is cramped, to say the least—you can sit on the Porta Potti, but your knees will stick out through the privacy curtain. Still, the head location is preferable to the all-too common position under the V-berth.

Ventilation below is nonexistent. Opening ports were available as options. A small quarterberth opening port or a forepeak vent would be desirable. Compared to a larger boat’s “yacht” finish or even to a 25′ cruising boat, the 7.9’s interior will seem plain and functional.

On the other hand, it’s luxurious compared to a J/24, J/27, Merit 25, or Evelyn 26. The boat can be weekended in comfort. If you can stand camping out, the boat can even be cruised.

Trailerability

With a 9′ beam, the 7.9 is not legally trailerable in any state without special wide-load permits. Yet most of the boats have been sold with trailers, and the company boasts of its trailerability and easy launchability. How is this possible?

The consensus is that, with the daggerboard retracted, the boat sits so low on the trailer that it doesn’t look that wide. A keelboat on a trailer—a Merit 25, for example—looks much bigger and a bored cop is more likely to stop and measure a keelboat than a 7.9. At any rate, 7.9s are trailered, and we know of none ever being ticketed or, for that matter, even questioned.

Conclusions

S2 did a good job of aiming the boat at a variety of sailors: racers, daysailors, and weekenders.

For racers interested in a one-design boat, the class is not strong outside the Great Lakes. But for the sailor into handicap racing, the boat seems a good possibility. It’s definitely competitive in MORC and PHRF fleets. And unlike other high-performance boats its size—the Olson 25, J/24, Merit 25, Evelyn 26, or Capri 25—the 7.9 is a boat you could stand sleeping aboard or taking on a rainy overnight race.

For the sailor primarily interested in daysailing and weekending, the 7.9 will also be worth serious consideration. She is definitely on the pricey side for 26′ boats, but her quality construction and equipment are what you get for the extra money. She may be a little on the high-performance side for the real novice, but her four-sail class package should be fairly easy to handle even for the newcomer.

We really could not recommend her as a cruiser. Well, maybe as a pocket cruiser. S2 clearly didn’t intend her for cruising or offshore sailing; still, she’s well made, a fast boat, and maybe if our seamanship were good enough…but no, if it’s a fast cruiser we’d like at 25′ to 26′, we’ll keep looking.

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